and the pastor, if he survives, that prison is a miracle in itself. and harris, they won't give it to him, he's unclean, a christian, won't give him pain medicine. >> harris: and i want to cut in and cover more ground and go there, how they have harmed him. you talk about pain medicine. he actually, as far as you know, really needs it? >> he's been beaten and tortured. he's been very clear, he was brave and able to dictate a letter to one of the family members during a visitation, a few weeks ago, when he made it very clear, how bad the suffering was. it's the classic torture and imagine if you're him now tonight, you're thinking, well, it's not just four months now i've got to do eight years and he knows iran, he was born there. in iran, eight years becomes 16 years very quickly and so they beat him one day, treat him nice the one day, tell him he's going to hang one day.